Posts by Anders Andersen

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Who wrote the Bible?

by Ireneus in

the wordings suggest much of the bible is written by false friends of god.

to mention a few:.

1) god planted a special tree to pay the way for suffering and death into the lives of his children.. 2) god protected cain who murdered his innocent brother out of sheer jealousy.

Anders Andersen

The same in-built sense of justice in me tells me all those 10 listed above and similar ones are written by false friends of God because it doesn’t help the readers in any fruitful way.

My built in sense of justice says slavery is wrong, genocide and exterminating women, children and elderly in wars is wrong, punishing children for the crimes of their (grand)parents is wrong, women and foreigners are equal to everyone else, etc. etc.

So can we please declare that any Bible book that contains any of that and approves of it is written by false friends of God too?

Hmmm....I'm afraid we just reduced the Bible to Song of Songs only....

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Who wrote the Bible?

by Ireneus in

the wordings suggest much of the bible is written by false friends of god.

to mention a few:.

1) god planted a special tree to pay the way for suffering and death into the lives of his children.. 2) god protected cain who murdered his innocent brother out of sheer jealousy.

Anders Andersen

Bible itself admits much of it is written by false friends of God (Jeremiah 8:8).

That's a very interesting thought. Hold on to it. Because Paul wrote to Timothy that all of Scripture is inspired by God.

You're saying Paul is wrong. Which means he's mistaken at best, a liar and false friend of God at worst.

In any case, we can't trust anything he wrote. By extension we shouldn't trust anyone who associated with him (after all who would trust a friend of a known liar and fals friend of God?)

So we must ignore most if not all of the NT. Well maybe the gospels can stay.

Oh no the gospels have to go to as they state what is included in your list of 'written by false friends'. So no more NT in our Bible.

Looking through your list we also get rid of the first 5 books, all (claimed to be) written by Moses, a false friend of God too according to your list.

Take out the books referring to other items on your list, or written by the same writers, and we're left with not much of a Bible anymore, are we?

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Who wrote the Bible?

by Ireneus in

the wordings suggest much of the bible is written by false friends of god.

to mention a few:.

1) god planted a special tree to pay the way for suffering and death into the lives of his children.. 2) god protected cain who murdered his innocent brother out of sheer jealousy.

Anders Andersen

By the way what makes you think the less favorable depictions are the false ones?

What if these are the true depictions, and the favorable ones are written by false friends?

How would one ever find out?

If someone doesn't have an existing belief that Bible God is awesome and good and love and such, they have no means to pick which depictions of God are correct and which ones are not?

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Who wrote the Bible?

by Ireneus in

the wordings suggest much of the bible is written by false friends of god.

to mention a few:.

1) god planted a special tree to pay the way for suffering and death into the lives of his children.. 2) god protected cain who murdered his innocent brother out of sheer jealousy.

Anders Andersen

The wordings suggest much of the Bible is written by false friends of God.

Another viable conclusion could be:

The wording suggests much of the Bible is written by friends of a false* God.

*) 'false' as in non-existent.

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Jehovah’s Witness girl could receive blood against her will during childbirth

by Tahoe in

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/31/jehovahs-witness-girl-could-receive-blood-against-her-will-during-childbirth.

a jehovah’s witness girl may be forced to receive a blood transfusion against her will this weekend when she gives birth in melbourne.. victoria’s mercy hospital was granted supreme court authority on friday to give the girl blood as a “last resort” if she suffers a postpartum haemorrhage when induced into labour on sunday afternoon.. the 17-year-old first-time mother is considered to be at increased risk of haemorrhaging because she is of “small stature” and the baby is large, meaning she may have a long labour, an assisted birth or an emergency caesarean section.. jehovah’s witnesses forbid followers from receiving blood transfusions or blood products.. the risk to the baby from the mother refusing blood is considered low.. the human tissue act has a provision that minors may be given blood transfusions without parental consent, but it was edited in 1994 with the concept of a “mature minor” who could “make up their own mind”, the court was told on friday.. however, the child psychiatrist campbell paul told the hearing he did not believe the girl had the “decision-making capacity” to be considered as having “gillick competence” – a term used to describe whether a child can consent to their own medical treatment.. paul said the girl had “been through considerable disruption and trauma through her life” and had “transgressed a major value of her family and her community” by having pre-marital sex.. “you could imagine that she feels very frightened” and worried about “further punishment”, he said.. the obstetrician and gynaecologist jacqueline van dam told the court she was concerned about the girl’s “naivety” that if anything happened, “she would be protected by her faith”.. she said several strategies could be undertaken first in the case of haemorrhage, such as injecting a drug to limit bleeding or stitching the uterus.. the girl’s mother, who said she would not consent to the hospital administering blood to her daughter, told the court receiving a transfusion would have a significant impact on the girl’s wellbeing.. “being forced to have that done against her will would be something like having violence done to her or being raped,” she said in a statement read to the court.. “she wants to do the right thing by jehovah, by god.”.

justice cameron macaulay granted mercy hospital the authority to give the girl a transfusion if necessary as “a last resort” but only if they first used all other strategies to stop the bleeding and obtained authority from two doctors.. “i’m not satisfied that [the girl] has the maturity to understand the consequences of her choice,” he said.. “i do not consider that allowing her, in effect, to choose to die ... is in her best interests.” .

Anders Andersen

I guess this 17 year old minor is not married?

Given that no reference is made to her being a victim of (statutory) rape I guess her faith isn't so strong after all?

Is she trying to make up now by refusing blood?

Or are her parents putting the pressure on to save their faces in the congregation and before their vindictive bloodthirsty tribal god?

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Did the jw's leadership ever apologize for 1975?

by dugout in

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friends

talking to my friend who's an elder, when i asked him did the leadership ever attempt to apologize for the 1975 prediction fiasco he said they did.

and he was going to show me.

i'm still waiting..................................................tic toc did they???

Anders Andersen

Read this 1976 WT article, especially from $11 and further.

There's no apology there, only blaming the victims.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1976525#h=14

Remember that not too long before that an article in the Kingdom Ministry stated

Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3

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German businessman registers "Watchtower" and "Awake!" trademarks, expects offer from JWs

by processor in

seriously.. https://www.wuv.de/marketing/unternehmer_sichert_sich_marken_der_jehovas.

businessman felt harassed by jws, so he found that word marks "der wachtturm" and "erwachet!

" (german versions of "the watchtower" and "awake!

Anders Andersen

Lol! Illegally and maliciously obtained?? Says who??

Watchtower.

And most likely a judge will agree: registering a trademark while you are fully aware of it being in use already is normally considered 'acting in bad faith' and unlawful. Unless of course German trademark laws are different than anyone else's, but I doubt that.

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1980s Brochure/magazine on demon possession?

by caves in

does anyone else remember a brochure/ magazine from the early 80s with stories of demon possessed individuals and spiritism ?

i dont think i saw it around very long.

it had a story about some lady having her head snapped around by a demon.

Anders Andersen

Perhaps this one from 1978?

http://www.watchtowerwayback.org/jw-wb/English/Brochures/1978%20Unseen%20spirits%20do%20they%20help%20us%20or%20do%20they%20harm%20us%20(us-E).pdf

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Watchtower Corporation Hacked By It's Own IT Department

by Brokeback Watchtower in

it's hard for me to think that the watchtower it department must be fully aware of wt duplicity as in they are experts in using the internet and are fully aware of what the internet is saying about their boss.. so why not hack them and make more public their utter bullshit in a humanitarian concern expressed by what ever powers he has to reduce guilt.. as the reputation of the watchtower goes south and more dirt is revealed the more likely it is for those in position of trust like watchtower it department to be forced into a very precarious position of helping a bunch of frauds and so why should it be of any surprise that some type of corrective vengeance is planed by many members of the it..

Anders Andersen

It's hard for me to think that the Watchtower IT department must be fully aware of WT duplicity as in they are experts in using the internet and are fully aware of what the internet is saying about their boss.

Think harder ;-)

Humans are (unknowingly) experts at compartmentalizing.

I'm an IT guy (in a regular company). I am an expert in using the internet. Yet I never knew what the internet was saying about Watchtower.

Why not? Because I didn't look and didn't search. After all, we have all bee inoculated against the temptation of looking at apostate websites. That same fear or hesitation that most felt when they first visited this site keeps most JW - including the internet savvy crowd - away from websites critical of JW.

Compare it this way: there are many prolific book readers, even among JW. They read many, many books. Does that mean they know what people have been writing about Watchtower? No, not until they actually read a book about that specific topic.

Edit to add: I'm not really fond of clickbait title by the way! It contributes to confusion and fake news, and we don't need that!

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Branch Co-ordinators letter re the Australian Royal Commission

by stuckinarut2 in

this letter was posted on the aust and nz facebook group this week.. it is self explanatory!

wow.... it seems to be their attempt at controlling the situation after the arc fallout.. .

Anders Andersen

So this letter is genuine?

Yes. The formatting matches current and confirmed branch letters, and the letter is in the official ARC evidence (most likely provided by Watchtower themselves as evidence that branch Australia is doing their best)

I'm sure Watchtower would have jumped at the opportunity to show how apostates are liars if the ARC accepted a fake letter. What better opportunity to suggest that opposers make up all kinds of stuff, maybe even child abuse claims?